A reminder that the Forest Hill Society Pub Crawl takes place THIS SUNDAY, starting at 7pm at Bar Equal. Please feel free to join (or leave) at any of the points along the route. Our guide for the evening, Charlie, assures me he'll wear something conspicuous to identify himself. So, here's the route and we hope to see many of you along the way.
7pm Bar Equal, HOP Good choice of wine and Czech larger.
8pm Tapastry - bottled beers and more wine (open by special invitation)
9pm General Napier, traditional back street boozer in SE23
10 pm Foresters - the coolest pub in SE23? Check out the hype and then return for the Jazz on R&B nights
18 January 2007
16 January 2007
More than 700 commuters sign crowded train petition
There is an article in the South London Press today about our campaign to keep existing train services to London Bridge.
You can read the article on the icSouthLondon website
If you wish to sign the petition just go to http://fhpetition.notlong.com
You can read the article on the icSouthLondon website
If you wish to sign the petition just go to http://fhpetition.notlong.com
Tyson Road development rejected
The Tyson Road development has been refused planning permission by Lewisham Council.
The full text of their decision can be read here.
The reasons given can be summarised as follows:
1) Overdevelopment/excessive density.
2) The proposal does not reflect the existing character of the surrounding area and is out of scale with the neighbouring buildings.
3) Poor design of proposed buildings on Tyson Road.
4) Insufficient work done in relation to existence of protected species and lack of compliance with Council policy on nature conservation.
We welcome this decision by Lewisham Council planning department but understand that the developer may appeal.
The full text of their decision can be read here.
The reasons given can be summarised as follows:
1) Overdevelopment/excessive density.
2) The proposal does not reflect the existing character of the surrounding area and is out of scale with the neighbouring buildings.
3) Poor design of proposed buildings on Tyson Road.
4) Insufficient work done in relation to existence of protected species and lack of compliance with Council policy on nature conservation.
We welcome this decision by Lewisham Council planning department but understand that the developer may appeal.
13 January 2007
More on the Trains
Below are some extracts from documents obtained by a member of the Forest Hill Society under the Freedom of Information Act from Transport for London:
Covering letting in response to the FOI request:
"By introducing eight East London Line trains per hour (tph) to the Slow Lines, it is anticipated that the current service to London Bridge will reduce by two tph all day, i.e. from eight tph in the peak and from six tph to four tph off-peak. Thus, the number of trains running on the Slow Lines increases by six tph all day. The final train service specification will be dictated by the outcome of Network Rail’s South London Route Utilisation Strategy which goes out for formal consultation between May 2007 and August 2007."
Letter from Peter Foot (Department for Transport) dated 15 June 2006 to Alison Clarke at Network Rail:
"We understand that Network Rail remains 'uncomfortable' with the intensity of the service foreseen though the combination of ELL and South Central franchise trains. Whilst DfT acknowledges these concerns, the Department is very aware that passenger demand forecasts indicate that the number of passengers using the rail network, particularly in the commuting peaks, will continue to rise for the foreseeable future. This, in turn, is likely to drive the need for more trains to operate on the network. Some of the increased capacity benefits deriving from the introduction of ELL services would be lost if there were to be a significant reduction in South Central franchise service. The level of franchised service has already been reduced in order to arrive at the specification that was agreed on 19/8/05, and it is doubtful whether a lower level of peak direction service is sustainable."
I believe that these two quotes demonstrate:
a) That although a reduction is services by 2 tph is not necessarily the final outcome, it is what is anticipated by TfL.
b) Network Rail may wish to further reduce service through Forest Hill, either by further cuts to existing services or by a reduction in the ELL use of the line. DfT believe that further cuts would negate any benefits derived from the ELL extension.
c) DfT forecast that the current planned capacity will not be sufficient in the foreseeable future (the italics for more were in the original letter not added by me). This means that cutting any services to London Bridge in 2010 will lead to overcrowding in the short term on the route to London Bridge (our projection), and major problems in the medium term as demand increases according to DfT projections.
Covering letting in response to the FOI request:
"By introducing eight East London Line trains per hour (tph) to the Slow Lines, it is anticipated that the current service to London Bridge will reduce by two tph all day, i.e. from eight tph in the peak and from six tph to four tph off-peak. Thus, the number of trains running on the Slow Lines increases by six tph all day. The final train service specification will be dictated by the outcome of Network Rail’s South London Route Utilisation Strategy which goes out for formal consultation between May 2007 and August 2007."
Letter from Peter Foot (Department for Transport) dated 15 June 2006 to Alison Clarke at Network Rail:
"We understand that Network Rail remains 'uncomfortable' with the intensity of the service foreseen though the combination of ELL and South Central franchise trains. Whilst DfT acknowledges these concerns, the Department is very aware that passenger demand forecasts indicate that the number of passengers using the rail network, particularly in the commuting peaks, will continue to rise for the foreseeable future. This, in turn, is likely to drive the need for more trains to operate on the network. Some of the increased capacity benefits deriving from the introduction of ELL services would be lost if there were to be a significant reduction in South Central franchise service. The level of franchised service has already been reduced in order to arrive at the specification that was agreed on 19/8/05, and it is doubtful whether a lower level of peak direction service is sustainable."
I believe that these two quotes demonstrate:
a) That although a reduction is services by 2 tph is not necessarily the final outcome, it is what is anticipated by TfL.
b) Network Rail may wish to further reduce service through Forest Hill, either by further cuts to existing services or by a reduction in the ELL use of the line. DfT believe that further cuts would negate any benefits derived from the ELL extension.
c) DfT forecast that the current planned capacity will not be sufficient in the foreseeable future (the italics for more were in the original letter not added by me). This means that cutting any services to London Bridge in 2010 will lead to overcrowding in the short term on the route to London Bridge (our projection), and major problems in the medium term as demand increases according to DfT projections.
03 January 2007
Local Meetings
We are planning to organise another general meeting for The Forest Hill Society later this year but in the meantime there are two local meetings that may be of interest to you:
There is a Forest Hill Ward Meeting hosted by the ward councillors on Monday 8th January at 7.30pm, Holy Trinity Church Hall, off Sydenham Park Road. More information can be found on se23.com. This meeting will focus on issues in the Forest Hill Ward and is primarily intended for residents in this council ward (although I am told other people will not be turned away!)
Later in January, on the Tuesday 30th January at 7:30pm there will be an Area Forum for all residents in Forest Hill, Perry Vale and Sydenham wards. This meeting will take place at St George's Church at the junction of Woolstone Road and Vancouver Road. More information can be found on the Lewisham Council website.
There is a Forest Hill Ward Meeting hosted by the ward councillors on Monday 8th January at 7.30pm, Holy Trinity Church Hall, off Sydenham Park Road. More information can be found on se23.com. This meeting will focus on issues in the Forest Hill Ward and is primarily intended for residents in this council ward (although I am told other people will not be turned away!)
Later in January, on the Tuesday 30th January at 7:30pm there will be an Area Forum for all residents in Forest Hill, Perry Vale and Sydenham wards. This meeting will take place at St George's Church at the junction of Woolstone Road and Vancouver Road. More information can be found on the Lewisham Council website.
Forthcoming Events
The Forest Hill Society has two events for members in January and February.
On Sunday 21st January we are having our first pub crawl. This is a chance visit a selection of pubs in Honor Oak and Forest Hill and possibly have a drink or two along the way! We will be meeting at 7pm at Bar Equal in Honor Oak, but be prompt or you might get left behind.
On Sunday 25th February Steve Grindlay will be taking us on a 2 hour historical walking tour of Forest Hill starting at 2pm at Christ Church, South Road and concluding in London Road at 4pm. Steve knows a huge amount about local history and you are guaranteed to learn something new about the area.
On Sunday 21st January we are having our first pub crawl. This is a chance visit a selection of pubs in Honor Oak and Forest Hill and possibly have a drink or two along the way! We will be meeting at 7pm at Bar Equal in Honor Oak, but be prompt or you might get left behind.
On Sunday 25th February Steve Grindlay will be taking us on a 2 hour historical walking tour of Forest Hill starting at 2pm at Christ Church, South Road and concluding in London Road at 4pm. Steve knows a huge amount about local history and you are guaranteed to learn something new about the area.
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